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ground heat exchangers (Earth-to-Air Heat Exchangers)

 
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berny



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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: ground heat exchangers (Earth-to-Air Heat Exchangers) Reply with quote

Hi Andy,

Is it possible in DB to design a ventilation with ground heat exchangers (Earth-to-Air Heat Exchangers) in order to obtain accurate values for external ventilation heat losses ?

Thanks

Franck
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Andy Tindale



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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Franck,

DesignBuilder does not allow ventilation with ground heat exchangers yet, though the latest version of EnergyPlus does have this feature. So you could use DesignBuilder to set up your base model and complete the model using IDF script.

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Andy
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koen.govers



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest version of Designbuilder, can it use ground heat exchangers? Or can it be moddeled in an other way ? (Using a circular basement ..?)

Koen
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Steve Potter



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Koen

I'm afraid it's not yet possible to model ground heat exchangers within DesignBuilder but you can do what Andy suggests and incorporate them by editing the IDF file.

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Steve
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koen.govers



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy, Steve,

I was thinking.

We have the exit air temperature from different exchangers (simulated with another program)on a hour to hour base for a whole year for different ventilation rates.

Can this be used as an input file instead of the air temperatures from the weather file?

Koen
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Andy Tindale



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koen,

I can't think of a way to input a schedule of outside air temperatures for ventilation.

Are you aware of the EnergyPlus EARTHTUBE object? If you were prepared to 'get your hands dirty' working with EnergyPlus script you could model 'ground to air' heat exchange this way. I expect we will implement this object in DesignBuilder sometime, but it is not in the immediate development plan. This object does require use of a simple external calculation utility called CalcSoilSurfTemp that is supplied with EnergyPlus. CalcSoilSurfTemp requires 2 input fields and the hourly weather data file to generate some of the input data required for the EARTHTUBE data.

Here is an example of data definition:

EnergyPlus documentation wrote:
EARTHTUBE,
Zone 2, !- Zone Name
Simple EarthTube, !- Schedule Name
3.425198, !- Design Volume Flow Rate
10.0, !- Minimum Zone Temperature when Cooling
30.0, !- Maximum Zone Temperature when Heating
1.0, !- Delta Temperature
NATURAL, !- EarthTube Type
350.0, !- Fan Pressure Rise
0.9, !- Fan Total Efficiency
0.25, !- Pipe Radius
0.2, !- Pipe Thickness
15.0, !- Pipe Length
200.0, !- Pipe Thermal Conductivity
3.5, !- Pipe Depth Under Ground Surface
HEAVY AND DAMP, !- Soil Condition
BARE AND MOIST, !- Soil Surface Condition
15.0, !- Average Soil Surface Temperature
5.6, !- Amplitude of Soil Surface Temperature
0.0, !- Phase Constant of Soil Surface Temperature

0.6060000 , !- Constant Term Flow Coef
2.0199999E-02, !- Temp Term Flow Coef
5.9800001E-04, !- Velocity Term Flow Coef
0.0000000E+00; !- Velocity**2 Term Flow Coef

Data in italics is calculated by CalcSoilSurfTemp.

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Andy
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koen.govers



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Heat exchanger development? Reply with quote

Hi,

I would like to know what the current status is of ground heat exchanger in DB.

Is there any progress on this application?
Are there some new user friendly solutions to model this?

Kind regards,
Filip
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