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Irene.Pau



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Surface heat flux Reply with quote

Hi Andy,

I have a few additional questions related to my previous surface heat flux query:

1) Is it possible to obtain heat flux values in DB from a single surface to the zone? From what I understand after reading your response, the DB results show the heat flux going through the surface itself. I would like to be able to get the heat flux out of the surface and into the zone.

2) May I also obtain surface temperatures for the different surfaces within my model?

3) What does E+/DB actually do when we specify an adiabatic surface? When I look at the surface heat flux for an adiabatic floor, for example, it seems to be losing a lot of heat through the surface during the day (for a summer day), which is not what I would expect. Does the surface "see" the external temperature, or does it actually model it as though there were an adjacent zone with similar internal conditions?

Thanks again,
Irene
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Laurent_Support



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Irene,

Quote:
1) Is it possible to obtain heat flux values in DB from a single surface to the zone? From what I understand after reading your response, the DB results show the heat flux going through the surface itself. I would like to be able to get the heat flux out of the surface and into the zone.

Currently, this is not displayed. Heat flow by surface is on the DB wishlist.

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2) May I also obtain surface temperatures for the different surfaces within my model?

Not at the moment.

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3) What does E+/DB actually do when we specify an adiabatic surface? When I look at the surface heat flux for an adiabatic floor, for example, it seems to be losing a lot of heat through the surface during the day (for a summer day), which is not what I would expect. Does the surface "see" the external temperature, or does it actually model it as though there were an adjacent zone with similar internal conditions?

Adiabatic surface, of course, does not let heat flow through the construction. The surface does not see any other temperature except internal temperature on one of its face.
But the materials are included in the zone, so you can have thermal mass effect in your simulation.

Regards,
Laurent
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george_s



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same wonder about the adiabatic surfaces. When we are talking about "adiabatic" surface most of us have in mind a "wall" (or whatever) that its presence in the building does not influence in any way the heat flow. However, as you very well said there is a thermal mass that affect the behavior of this surface.

But as i can see in DB (i tried different material for ground floor) it seems that this infuence of thermal mass is bigger than I expected. For example the gain and losses from gound floor for a simple model (13mx15m default values) during a summer day (15 jul, London) have higher values (!) when i set the ground floor as an aniabatic surface than when it is "auto". This seems to be a bit strange, don t you think ? or is there something i missing ?

thanks
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Laurent_Support



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

The first idea explaining your ground floor has such influence could be that ground temperature (in Localization tab) is set at a low temperature.

Default value for ground temperature are 14°C for every months, too low to take into account the building effect on the ground.
For example, if internal temperature is 25°C, you have a delta T of 11° (internal - ground temp.). With adiabatic ground floor the delta T is 0° and of course change greatly zone heating balance.

If it is not your case, please give me more data about your settings.

Thanks,
Laurent
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ceck



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a surface solar flux would be useful to include photovoltai or solar panels.
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